Nice obfuscation Ron as you continue to serve your father Satan. You will have to one day account to God for feeding on the sheep peddling your communist garbage not even bothering to wear your fake sheep outfit (a wolf in wolves clothing). You need to repent Ron, and come to God and seek Jesus as your lord. Karl Marx will only lead you straight to the pit as he has done all these years. Oh and yes the Biden administration is best described as fascist. Fascism is a form of socialism just to the right of communism, but both are extreme left. And it’s not Biden, as you well know. It’s Obama and his henchmen. And you did everything you could do to bring their fascist evil upon our nation. Repent Ron, you are evil to the core.
Anyone can call anyone else anything, right? But words have meanings, albeit meanings that change through the decades, centuries, millennia. They take on news meanings, they carry different cultural weight, or via wishful thinking, simple ignorance of their original definition. But sometimes they change through insidious design, as when right-wing politicians and their acolytes use what they consider vicious labels, as when Trump calls Biden a socialist. The "simple ignorance" metamorphosis of *socialist* to denote the Keynesian-style social democracy of Scandinavia and other Western European countries, is--I suppose--useless for me to criticize. But *socialist* does denote the transitional phase before communism, according to Marx, et al. To further muddy the waters, Lenin himself said that Russia was far too under-developed to ever achieve *communism* and that the best it could hope for was state capitalism. Stalin was not a good thinker and he was a ruthless leader (like most of these he had a diagnosis, in his case--as in most--it was simple paranoia, but it the true, clinical sense of the word). Scanadanian countrie, to reiterate, are best labeled social democracies, as Bernie Sanders correctly labels his ideas, which are no more "socialist" than LBJ's, and in some ways, less so.
It s true that a couple of the original founders of BLM have described themselves as Marxists. But that is simply not what the vast majority of folk using the label BLM mean.
Like myself, that vast majority are simply wanting equal justice for everyone, especially black Americans. Let's not let people who want to slander and undermine that important call for equal justice destroy an amazing opportunity to move towards the beloved community that Dr. King envisioned.
Please read their manifesto and tell me if you can say you agree with it. I certainly believe that the sentence "Black Lives Matter" is true. I believe that the movement is not to be commended. Below is an extract from their "What We Believe". Can you support this?
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).
How much Marx have you read? If you'd read any, then you'd know how foolish an observation that is. Furthermore, I'm wondering how much Marx you've read. Educated people tend to have read, at the very least, the "Manifesto." Don't fib about it either, because anyone who has actually read a read of Marx understands how silly your observation is!
In this current debate on the term ‘socialism,’ it’s worth noting that there is a third historic option, ‘national socialism’ as was practiced in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945, lest we forget!
And National Sicialism was 1. A far right political ideology, much like the Trump arm of the RNC, and 2. National Socialism was not socialism you know it a Fascism. There is a very distinct difference. My grandfather was a member of his generation's ANTIFA, he stormed Normandy Beach.
National Socialism was just a misleading term because Hitler was living in a world where "socialism" itself was a popular idea among workers--even "communism"! There was nothing socialist about the Nazis other than its mimicking of Stalin's state control. The corporates were all in for Hitler (Bayer Aspirin, among others). In fact, it was explicitly opposed the left-wing ideas. A cursory look at the array of forces in the Spanish Civil War (often called the "dress rehearsal for WWII) demonstrates this clearly!
Fascism was around before 1933 and Benito Musolini was a lefties. Nazism is described as one type of fascism. Both fascism and Nazism reject democracy and liberalism as ideologies, and instead embrace the concept of a nationalist state.
Fascism as an ideology focuses on the state itself. However, fascist leaders typically gain support by appealing to people’s nationalism and racism, especially by promoting suspicion or hatred of people that they label as foreigners or otherwise cast as illegitimate citizens—as Hitler did with the Jews in Germany.
Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
We often forget, for example, that Mussolini and Hitler had many admirers in the United States. W.E.B. Du Bois was inspired by Hitler's Germany, and Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated fascist policies in the New Deal.
Agree totally especially if referring to democratic socialism which was common in pre-1933 Germany, but the play on words was appealing - and deceptive - in the Weimar Germany of the ‘war guilt clause’ and the Great Depression ...
From a Marxist tradition, neither Biden nor the Soviet Union et. al. were socialists.
Marx is very clear, socialism is about liberating the proletariat from the control of the bourgeoisie by putting the proletariat in charge. The abolishing of private property, which to Marx could happen in various ways including ways some of which were taken by some US states in Marx's time, is simply a means of liberating the proletariat.
Here we should note that unless the state was governed by the proletariat, gov't ownership and control of resources did not mean that there was socialism. The soviet gov't was never under control by the proletariat. Rosa Luxemburg, a contemporary of Lenin and fellow socialist, stressed the point that the structure of gov't under Lenin followed the bourgeoisie dictatorship model rather than employ the proletariat dictatorship--which was really a form of limited democracy. In addition, neither Lenin nor Trotsky nor even Stalin were members of the Proletariat.
Below is an answer in a Q&A session where Noam Chomsky shows some of the differences between Marxism and what Lenin did.
Thank you for speaking truth, Dr. Sider. Sort off topic question: Could you recommend some books or resources in learning more about Anabaptist theology?
Nice obfuscation Ron as you continue to serve your father Satan. You will have to one day account to God for feeding on the sheep peddling your communist garbage not even bothering to wear your fake sheep outfit (a wolf in wolves clothing). You need to repent Ron, and come to God and seek Jesus as your lord. Karl Marx will only lead you straight to the pit as he has done all these years. Oh and yes the Biden administration is best described as fascist. Fascism is a form of socialism just to the right of communism, but both are extreme left. And it’s not Biden, as you well know. It’s Obama and his henchmen. And you did everything you could do to bring their fascist evil upon our nation. Repent Ron, you are evil to the core.
Anyone can call anyone else anything, right? But words have meanings, albeit meanings that change through the decades, centuries, millennia. They take on news meanings, they carry different cultural weight, or via wishful thinking, simple ignorance of their original definition. But sometimes they change through insidious design, as when right-wing politicians and their acolytes use what they consider vicious labels, as when Trump calls Biden a socialist. The "simple ignorance" metamorphosis of *socialist* to denote the Keynesian-style social democracy of Scandinavia and other Western European countries, is--I suppose--useless for me to criticize. But *socialist* does denote the transitional phase before communism, according to Marx, et al. To further muddy the waters, Lenin himself said that Russia was far too under-developed to ever achieve *communism* and that the best it could hope for was state capitalism. Stalin was not a good thinker and he was a ruthless leader (like most of these he had a diagnosis, in his case--as in most--it was simple paranoia, but it the true, clinical sense of the word). Scanadanian countrie, to reiterate, are best labeled social democracies, as Bernie Sanders correctly labels his ideas, which are no more "socialist" than LBJ's, and in some ways, less so.
Using one extreme political group's definition to describe another's is asking a blind person to describe a rainbow.
Biden (and Democrats) seem to be supporting BLM. BLM founders are self proclaimed Marxists.
It s true that a couple of the original founders of BLM have described themselves as Marxists. But that is simply not what the vast majority of folk using the label BLM mean.
Like myself, that vast majority are simply wanting equal justice for everyone, especially black Americans. Let's not let people who want to slander and undermine that important call for equal justice destroy an amazing opportunity to move towards the beloved community that Dr. King envisioned.
Please read their manifesto and tell me if you can say you agree with it. I certainly believe that the sentence "Black Lives Matter" is true. I believe that the movement is not to be commended. Below is an extract from their "What We Believe". Can you support this?
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).
Please understand the movement and what it is all about. Wanting to stop the wanton slaughter of non_whites is not Marxist, it's being Human.
How much Marx have you read? If you'd read any, then you'd know how foolish an observation that is. Furthermore, I'm wondering how much Marx you've read. Educated people tend to have read, at the very least, the "Manifesto." Don't fib about it either, because anyone who has actually read a read of Marx understands how silly your observation is!
He is so un-socialistic that he won't even endorse so basic an idea as universal health care.
In this current debate on the term ‘socialism,’ it’s worth noting that there is a third historic option, ‘national socialism’ as was practiced in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945, lest we forget!
And National Sicialism was 1. A far right political ideology, much like the Trump arm of the RNC, and 2. National Socialism was not socialism you know it a Fascism. There is a very distinct difference. My grandfather was a member of his generation's ANTIFA, he stormed Normandy Beach.
National Socialism was just a misleading term because Hitler was living in a world where "socialism" itself was a popular idea among workers--even "communism"! There was nothing socialist about the Nazis other than its mimicking of Stalin's state control. The corporates were all in for Hitler (Bayer Aspirin, among others). In fact, it was explicitly opposed the left-wing ideas. A cursory look at the array of forces in the Spanish Civil War (often called the "dress rehearsal for WWII) demonstrates this clearly!
Fascism was around before 1933 and Benito Musolini was a lefties. Nazism is described as one type of fascism. Both fascism and Nazism reject democracy and liberalism as ideologies, and instead embrace the concept of a nationalist state.
Fascism as an ideology focuses on the state itself. However, fascist leaders typically gain support by appealing to people’s nationalism and racism, especially by promoting suspicion or hatred of people that they label as foreigners or otherwise cast as illegitimate citizens—as Hitler did with the Jews in Germany.
Contrary to what most people think, the Nazis were ardent socialists (hence the term “National socialism”). They believed in free health care and guaranteed jobs. They confiscated inherited wealth and spent vast sums on public education. They purged the church from public policy, promoted a new form of pagan spirituality, and inserted the authority of the state into every nook and cranny of daily life. The Nazis declared war on smoking, supported abortion, euthanasia, and gun control. They loathed the free market, provided generous pensions for the elderly, and maintained a strict racial quota system in their universities—where campus speech codes were all the rage. The Nazis led the world in organic farming and alternative medicine. Hitler was a strict vegetarian, and Himmler was an animal rights activist.
We often forget, for example, that Mussolini and Hitler had many admirers in the United States. W.E.B. Du Bois was inspired by Hitler's Germany, and Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. Many fascist tenets were espoused by American progressives like John Dewey and Woodrow Wilson, and FDR incorporated fascist policies in the New Deal.
Agree totally especially if referring to democratic socialism which was common in pre-1933 Germany, but the play on words was appealing - and deceptive - in the Weimar Germany of the ‘war guilt clause’ and the Great Depression ...
From a Marxist tradition, neither Biden nor the Soviet Union et. al. were socialists.
Marx is very clear, socialism is about liberating the proletariat from the control of the bourgeoisie by putting the proletariat in charge. The abolishing of private property, which to Marx could happen in various ways including ways some of which were taken by some US states in Marx's time, is simply a means of liberating the proletariat.
Here we should note that unless the state was governed by the proletariat, gov't ownership and control of resources did not mean that there was socialism. The soviet gov't was never under control by the proletariat. Rosa Luxemburg, a contemporary of Lenin and fellow socialist, stressed the point that the structure of gov't under Lenin followed the bourgeoisie dictatorship model rather than employ the proletariat dictatorship--which was really a form of limited democracy. In addition, neither Lenin nor Trotsky nor even Stalin were members of the Proletariat.
Below is an answer in a Q&A session where Noam Chomsky shows some of the differences between Marxism and what Lenin did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsC0q3CO6lM
Yes, excellent!
Great answer
Thank you
Thank you for speaking truth, Dr. Sider. Sort off topic question: Could you recommend some books or resources in learning more about Anabaptist theology?
Oliver, Send me an email at rjamessider@gmail.com and I will give you some suggestions. Ron